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	<title>Comments on: The H1-B program brings in mediocre people ?</title>
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		<title>By: Gargs</title>
		<link>http://phoenix.gargs.com/blog/2006/06/05/the-h1-b-program-brings-in-mediocre-people/comment-page-1/#comment-947</link>
		<dc:creator>Gargs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes sense for companies to &quot;prefer&quot; a graduate from an American university, but how is a recent graduate from an American University better or more qualified than  lets say a person with years of experience abroad? 

The 20k provision started only last year so basically you can assume that most people getting those visas are recent graduates, because the ones who are experienced already have their H1s since a long time ago.

Of course, this is not taking into consideration various factors like working for years and then coming to the US for a graduate education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes sense for companies to &#8220;prefer&#8221; a graduate from an American university, but how is a recent graduate from an American University better or more qualified than  lets say a person with years of experience abroad? </p>
<p>The 20k provision started only last year so basically you can assume that most people getting those visas are recent graduates, because the ones who are experienced already have their H1s since a long time ago.</p>
<p>Of course, this is not taking into consideration various factors like working for years and then coming to the US for a graduate education.</p>
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		<title>By: HalfDesi</title>
		<link>http://phoenix.gargs.com/blog/2006/06/05/the-h1-b-program-brings-in-mediocre-people/comment-page-1/#comment-946</link>
		<dc:creator>HalfDesi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunno if it is so much as foreign educated workers are perceived to be unqualified. IIT has been imortalized in Dilbert.

The American education system is funded in part by the government. NSF Grants, DoD research, etc. And some of that is subsidizing your education even if you are paying full tuition.

After you are done with US grad school, the country would like to get some return on its investment. If you go straight back to India, the US loses that investment.

Of course, the Indian government makes a large investment in all the IIT students... an investment that walks out the door when an Indian gets an H-1B.

Another possible factor in the preference for american-educated students... they are more acclimated to american society... or, at least they are perceived to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno if it is so much as foreign educated workers are perceived to be unqualified. IIT has been imortalized in Dilbert.</p>
<p>The American education system is funded in part by the government. NSF Grants, DoD research, etc. And some of that is subsidizing your education even if you are paying full tuition.</p>
<p>After you are done with US grad school, the country would like to get some return on its investment. If you go straight back to India, the US loses that investment.</p>
<p>Of course, the Indian government makes a large investment in all the IIT students&#8230; an investment that walks out the door when an Indian gets an H-1B.</p>
<p>Another possible factor in the preference for american-educated students&#8230; they are more acclimated to american society&#8230; or, at least they are perceived to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Prasad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prasad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 05:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H1Bs are derived from the existing pool of people available. The program per se does nothing to keep geniuses away. There are a bunch of mediocre people entering the US universities now thanks to educational loans and rich parents. Hence some of the H1Bs would be from this pool of people. 

The reason qualified foreign graduates do not get an H1B is because the &quot;American&quot; companies do not have a proof of their being &quot;qualified&quot; , cos they do not fully trust the educational system in other countries ( read India ). Fair enough , with our share of fake degrees and scams.

The real advantage the H1B offers employers is that , it helps cut down attrition. Once on an H1B you need another employer who is willing to sponsor your H1B. Thats where the wage limitation is imposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H1Bs are derived from the existing pool of people available. The program per se does nothing to keep geniuses away. There are a bunch of mediocre people entering the US universities now thanks to educational loans and rich parents. Hence some of the H1Bs would be from this pool of people. </p>
<p>The reason qualified foreign graduates do not get an H1B is because the &#8220;American&#8221; companies do not have a proof of their being &#8220;qualified&#8221; , cos they do not fully trust the educational system in other countries ( read India ). Fair enough , with our share of fake degrees and scams.</p>
<p>The real advantage the H1B offers employers is that , it helps cut down attrition. Once on an H1B you need another employer who is willing to sponsor your H1B. Thats where the wage limitation is imposed.</p>
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		<title>By: HalfDesi</title>
		<link>http://phoenix.gargs.com/blog/2006/06/05/the-h1-b-program-brings-in-mediocre-people/comment-page-1/#comment-942</link>
		<dc:creator>HalfDesi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/h1b.htm

&quot;H-1B aliens may only work for the petitioning U.S. employer and only in the H-1B activities described in the petition.&quot;

A US Citizen or Legal Permanent Resident (green card) can shop their skills around. An H-1B visa  holder is tied to a specific employer, and cannot sell their skills on the free market. 

As for the regulations on wages, numbers can be manipulated. For example, the job could be inappropriately categorized with jobs that pay less. Also, you may be significantly better than the average employee, but they don&#039;t have to pay you significantly more.

It is now taken for granted that you have to work on an H-1B before you can get a green card in the US. Before 1990, it did not work that way.

Increasing the H-1B visa numbers just expands a flawed program. The real solution is to increase the number of green cards available for highly skilled professionals (and their families).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/h1b.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/h1b.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;H-1B aliens may only work for the petitioning U.S. employer and only in the H-1B activities described in the petition.&#8221;</p>
<p>A US Citizen or Legal Permanent Resident (green card) can shop their skills around. An H-1B visa  holder is tied to a specific employer, and cannot sell their skills on the free market. </p>
<p>As for the regulations on wages, numbers can be manipulated. For example, the job could be inappropriately categorized with jobs that pay less. Also, you may be significantly better than the average employee, but they don&#8217;t have to pay you significantly more.</p>
<p>It is now taken for granted that you have to work on an H-1B before you can get a green card in the US. Before 1990, it did not work that way.</p>
<p>Increasing the H-1B visa numbers just expands a flawed program. The real solution is to increase the number of green cards available for highly skilled professionals (and their families).</p>
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		<title>By: The Desi Nole</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Desi Nole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well he obviously does not know what he is talking about. Having filed for my H1-B in the recent past, I can tell you that a specific section deals with wages. According to that section, I have to be paid at the same level as an American (or for that matter anyone) working in a similar job in the same city. 

If they do not offer me that salary as a minimum, then I cannot be hired.

So there goes his argument about low wages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well he obviously does not know what he is talking about. Having filed for my H1-B in the recent past, I can tell you that a specific section deals with wages. According to that section, I have to be paid at the same level as an American (or for that matter anyone) working in a similar job in the same city. </p>
<p>If they do not offer me that salary as a minimum, then I cannot be hired.</p>
<p>So there goes his argument about low wages.</p>
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		<title>By: DesiPundit &#187; Archives &#187; H1 B discrimination ?</title>
		<link>http://phoenix.gargs.com/blog/2006/06/05/the-h1-b-program-brings-in-mediocre-people/comment-page-1/#comment-935</link>
		<dc:creator>DesiPundit &#187; Archives &#187; H1 B discrimination ?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Looking at the way H1 visas are being filled up, Saurabh wonders if a salary negotiation power advantage is held by a foreigner graduating from an American university compared to someone graduating from a foreign country. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Looking at the way H1 visas are being filled up, Saurabh wonders if a salary negotiation power advantage is held by a foreigner graduating from an American university compared to someone graduating from a foreign country. [...]</p>
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